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Usage Figures
The Usage figures on this page are from 1993 are outdated. The following references show that MSN Messenger is now the dominant IM network:
- http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/07/24/instant-messaging-and-trashing-google/
- The MSN Messenger application has the strongest penetration worldwide, with 61 percent of worldwide IM users utilizing the application in February. MSN Messenger is also dominant in Latin America, reaching more than 90 percent of IM users, and in Europe and Asia Pacific, reaching more than 70 percent of IM users in each region. North America is the most competitive IM market, with MSN Messenger, AOL/Aim and Yahoo! Messenger each garnering between 27 percent and 37 percent of IM users in February.
- Nextfaze 07:35, 23 Nov 2007 (NZDT)
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MSNP (djtaylor)
Thanks to the idiots that have locked this page so their mistake cannot be corrected. These are the same idiots that argued with me for a week that the SOAP Redirect I posted on the Passport 3.0 authentication page was not useful.
My argument is that MSNP is not an acronym for 'Mobile Status Notification Protocol'. I do not keep correcting the page to be awkward or to piss people off, but simply because I believe it is incorrect.
Below is the text I added to the page. Please read it and make your own mind up. If you feel you have a genuine argument or evidence as to why MSNP stands for 'Mobile Status Notification Protocol', please post it! I'd like to see a source!
MSNP is an acronym for The Microsoft Network Protocol. There appear to be several people who believe MSNP to be an acronym for 'Mobile Status Notification Protocol', but there are several reasons why I believe this not to be so.
- 'MSN' is an acronym for The Microsoft Network, which is a division of Microsoft that offers a number of services, including MSN Hotmail, MSN Messenger, MSN Search, MSN Spaces, etc. Many users incorrectly refer to MSN Messenger (i.e. the messenger client) as simply 'MSN'. This can lead to no end of confusion. In the same way that you do not refer to 'Microsoft Windows' as simply 'Microsoft', you should not refer to 'MSN Messenger' as 'MSN'.
Given the above, 'The Microsoft Network Protocol' is more logical - the P is obviously for protocol, so MSNP is a protocol developed by MSN. - There is nothing 'mobile' about it. Although more recent developments allow connection to the service via a mobile phone or PDA, MSNP is mentioned in the original draft and these developments were not mentioned or even available at that time.
- The original draft does not state that MSNP is an acronym for 'Mobile Status Notification Protocol'. In fact, it is not defined in the original draft.
- The only source I have managed to find that states that MSNP is an acronym for 'Mobile Status Notification Protocol' is Wikipedia but no source is given in the article. Just because something is stated on Wikipedia (or, indeed, anywhere), it does not necessarily mean it is correct.
Re: MSNP (ZoRoNaX)
MSNP is an acronym for The Microsoft Network Protocol
If you had done proper research, you would have found that the acronym of Microsoft Network Protocol is MNP and not MSNP. You can refer to this site for the proof.
you should not refer to 'MSN Messenger' as 'MSN'. ... Given the above, 'The Microsoft Network Protocol' is more logical
You're saying that 'MSN' shouldn't be used to refer to 'MSN Messenger', however MSNP is a protocol designed for the 'MSN/.NET Messenger Service'. So according to your reasoning, it shouldn't be 'Microsoft Network (MSN) Protocol' because it refers to a division and not a particular service. However, your conclusion is that 'The Microsoft Network Protocol' is more logical. This is the complete opposite of your reasoning if you follow the rules of logic.
If you feel you have a genuine argument or evidence as to why MSNP stands for 'Mobile Status Notification Protocol', please post it!
If you had performed proper research, you would have found this page on Microsoft TechNet. If you search it for MSNP, you will find that MSNP stands for Mobile Status Notification Protocol.
Re: MSNP (djtaylor)
I have done proper research, thank you. Wikipedia was the only sourch I could find, as I said.
Anyway, you're one to talk! If you'd bothered to do proper research, you'd have known that the info on the SOAP Redirect I posted on the Passport 3.0 authentication page is useful instead of arguing with me about it for a week!
You're saying that 'MSN' shouldn't be used to refer to 'MSN Messenger'
'MSN' alone should not be used to refer to the client, or, indeed, any one service that MSN provides. Do you refer to Microsoft Windows as simply Microsoft? Would you like it if all your clients referred to any or all of your products as your company name?
As I said, MSN stands for The Microsoft Network and The Microsoft Network Protocol would be more logical - a protocol developed by MSN. The above paragraph does not contradict this.
If you had performed proper research, you would have found this page on Microsoft TechNet. If you search it for MSNP, you will find that MSNP stands for Mobile Status Notification Protocol.
Thank you. Finally. That's all I was asking for - evidence that supported your argument. Try doing this next time instead of simply undoing my changes with no explanation as to why, and petty and pathetic remarks such as 'stop playing and go home'.
Re: MSNP (Rafael)
quoted: I have done proper research, thank you. Wikipedia was the only sourch [sic] I could find, as I said.
You should (re)acquaint yourself with the basics on utilizing Google for searches. A simple search for the phrase 'Mobile Status Notification Protocol' would have revealed over a hundred references, one being the link ZoRoNaX provided.
quoted: Thank you. Finally. That's all I was asking for - evidence that supported your argument. Try doing this next time instead of simply undoing my changes with no explanation as to why, and petty and pathetic remarks such as 'stop playing and go home'.
Looking at the history page, you did not start inquiring into why multiple people were overriding your changes until after they locked you out. Shouldn't you have asked right away as to why they're overriding your changes?
Regardless, if you have a problem with content on this Wiki, you need to prove why the content is incorrect before making any changes, not vice versa. Please keep this in mind for future edits on this Wiki.
Re: MSNP (djtaylor)
I'm more than familiar with how to use Google, thank you very much. Yes, there are multiple results (183, to be exact), but most of these appear to be text taken from Wikipedia (or vice versa). This does not constitute multiple sources. If someone else merely copies your work, would you include that as another source?
Looking at the history page, you did not start inquiring into why multiple people were overriding your changes until after they locked you out. Shouldn't you have asked right away as to why they're overriding your changes?
It wasn't multiple people; it was one - ZoRoNaX. Also, it was 'The Microsoft Network' to begin with, so I was simply reverting changes that someone else had made. Also, I do not see any mention of anyone enquiring as to why I was making changes.
Regardless, if you have a problem with content on this Wiki, you need to prove why the content is incorrect before making any changes, not vice versa. Please keep this in mind for future edits on this Wiki.
Which is exactly what I was attempting to do with my final edit to that page and my first post on this page! In any case, I wasn't the only one who was changing things without discussion first. And I wasn't the one making petty remarks aimed at other users!
Re: MSNP (James)
There appears to be a consensus among users that MSNP does indeed stand for Mobile Status Notification Protocol, which is indeed the correct term for the abbreviation. Unfortunately the wiki was created before anybody knew that MSNP was an actual term used by microsoft, and was simply coined by developers to stand for MSN Protocol. Now that microsoft has moved away from the "MSN" branding, they have adopted the MSNP abbreviation and presented their own term for it as seen in, [1] Search for MSNP.
Upon realizing this, I have just noticed that the wiki is in need of a contextual update to replace "MSN", as microsoft themselves are no longer calling their product "MSN Messenger", this will happen throughout the next couple of week.
I will consider this the final word on the matter, and expect djtaylor to comply, I will unlock the page in a week when all of this blows over, and if djtaylor finds the urge to change it back, I will be forced to remove his editing abilities for a while.
Re: MSNP (Inky)
Before someone burns me down for editing this page and changing the definition of MSNP, please let me explain. The official meaning of MSNP is what I put up. This has been confirmed by SEVERAL employees of Microsoft (also during an MVP summit), and has already been rectified by a Microsoft employee on Wikipedia.
Also, I got passed a link which is a draft for MSNP, the REAL MSNP, that is. The draft is on http://www.emsd.org/documents/lsnsProtocols/one/main.html, and has nothing to do with our MSNP. However, it is likely that the confusion came from this draft, and this draft alone.
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